Comments for CraigSaboe.com http://www.craigsaboe.com Church + Technology for Mission. Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:42:17 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 Comment on Too many U.S. kids are needing food stamps… Why don’t they get a job? by Craig http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/too-many-u-s-kids-are-needing-food-stamps-sounds-like-gods-chosen-nation-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Craig Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:42:17 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=67#comment-26 :) And who says Lutheranism is of the mind, and not of the heart!! :) And who says Lutheranism is of the mind, and not of the heart!!

]]> Comment on Too many U.S. kids are needing food stamps… Why don’t they get a job? by BobF http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/too-many-u-s-kids-are-needing-food-stamps-sounds-like-gods-chosen-nation-to-me/comment-page-1/#comment-25 BobF Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:31:55 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=67#comment-25 Preach it, brother! Preach it, brother!

]]> Comment on Let’s just take their word for it that their ad comes up in those cases. by Show and Tell for Week of 11/01/09 | thejakers http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/lets-just-take-their-word-for-it-that-their-ad-comes-up-in-those-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Show and Tell for Week of 11/01/09 | thejakers Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:45:04 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=57#comment-17 [...] Saboe highlights some interesting and I think spot on techniques LifeChurch.tv is using for Google [...] [...] Saboe highlights some interesting and I think spot on techniques LifeChurch.tv is using for Google [...]

]]> Comment on Let’s just take their word for it that their ad comes up in those cases. by Craig http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/lets-just-take-their-word-for-it-that-their-ad-comes-up-in-those-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Craig Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:09:25 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=57#comment-14 Exactly. We need the reminder of Christ the most when we're about to do something we know isn't Christ-like. Exactly. We need the reminder of Christ the most when we’re about to do something we know isn’t Christ-like.

]]> Comment on Let’s just take their word for it that their ad comes up in those cases. by Jake Johnson http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/lets-just-take-their-word-for-it-that-their-ad-comes-up-in-those-cases/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Jake Johnson Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:39 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=57#comment-13 I like that idea a lot. Seems right in line with the example of Jesus who was mocked for hanging out with sinners. It's not the healthy that need a doctor after all! I like that idea a lot. Seems right in line with the example of Jesus who was mocked for hanging out with sinners. It’s not the healthy that need a doctor after all!

]]> Comment on Add a ballpit and an animatronic pastor, and you have Chuck E. Cheese. by Craig http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/add-a-ballpit-and-an-animatronic-pastor-and-you-have-chuck-e-cheese/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Craig Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:52:54 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=51#comment-12 However our positions may differ, I do appreciate your willingness to come and comment on my blog and engage in conversation on this - hope to hear from you again in the future, and I do plan on following your blog as well. However our positions may differ, I do appreciate your willingness to come and comment on my blog and engage in conversation on this – hope to hear from you again in the future, and I do plan on following your blog as well.

]]> Comment on Add a ballpit and an animatronic pastor, and you have Chuck E. Cheese. by Justin Wise http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/add-a-ballpit-and-an-animatronic-pastor-and-you-have-chuck-e-cheese/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Justin Wise Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:21:31 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=51#comment-11 Craig Sounds great. Like you said, we can agree to disagree (even though we may agree on more than we disagree!). I noticed that in your post–your main disagreement doesn't seem to be with social media but with the "multimedia" folk in general. I think that's an important distinction to make. I have never believed that social media is a replacement for face-to-face interaction. As a matter of fact, I led a seminar where I stated my philosophy on social media is that it all should lead to face-to-face interaction where possible! As for the suggestions, those were based off what my missionary friend is already doing. For him, it's not a question of if things are going to change. Things have changed, period. As such, they've had to make significant changes to their ministry. Chronologically speaking, it makes sense that if college ministries are making these changes, the churches that they'll be going to after graduating will need to make these changes as well. Good stuff. Justin Craig

Sounds great. Like you said, we can agree to disagree (even though we may agree on more than we disagree!).

I noticed that in your post–your main disagreement doesn’t seem to be with social media but with the “multimedia” folk in general. I think that’s an important distinction to make. I have never believed that social media is a replacement for face-to-face interaction. As a matter of fact, I led a seminar where I stated my philosophy on social media is that it all should lead to face-to-face interaction where possible!

As for the suggestions, those were based off what my missionary friend is already doing. For him, it’s not a question of if things are going to change. Things have changed, period. As such, they’ve had to make significant changes to their ministry. Chronologically speaking, it makes sense that if college ministries are making these changes, the churches that they’ll be going to after graduating will need to make these changes as well.

Good stuff.

Justin

]]> Comment on Add a ballpit and an animatronic pastor, and you have Chuck E. Cheese. by Craig http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/add-a-ballpit-and-an-animatronic-pastor-and-you-have-chuck-e-cheese/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Craig Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:48:43 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=51#comment-10 Hi Justin - Thanks for reading my reply! Yeah, I went on a bit of a rant, so I understand your confusion. I don't want to say I disagree with your thesis... our college ministries will indeed shape the church of tomorrow. What I might disagree with is your suggestions at the bottom - regarding maybe changing our model to be more group-oriented, or reaching out via tools kids are using today, or communicating via the "digital" language. The disagreement stems from the fact that we seem to be trying to mold the Church to fit the desires of a demographic, rather than because it makes the Church stronger. Would moving to smaller, more intimate services/worship experiences be beneficial? Maybe - but we do it because it's good for the Church as a whole, not because kids like that better. Using Facebook and Twitter isn't a bad idea, but it's talked about so darn often by church leaders today it's like they don't truly understand what they're for. Like I pointed out, they're communication tools that supplement face-to-face communication, rather than supplant it - and many leaders seem to be focusing a whole lot on this supplemental tool rather than actually supporting missional work that can create relationships in the first place. Your last point about "digital" language I'm not exactly sure about, but I would say that again, we don't change our church to please a demographic - we change it for the good of the Church. I sort of lumped you in with the guys pushing multimedia in worship, which you obviously said nothing about, but I think they share a lot of your perspective on the things I disagree with. No matter what, though, I very much respect your work on BeDeviant and am very thankful you took the time to read my post and respond, and I'm sure there's a whole lot more we agree on than disagree. God Bless! - Craig Hi Justin – Thanks for reading my reply! Yeah, I went on a bit of a rant, so I understand your confusion. I don’t want to say I disagree with your thesis… our college ministries will indeed shape the church of tomorrow. What I might disagree with is your suggestions at the bottom – regarding maybe changing our model to be more group-oriented, or reaching out via tools kids are using today, or communicating via the “digital” language. The disagreement stems from the fact that we seem to be trying to mold the Church to fit the desires of a demographic, rather than because it makes the Church stronger. Would moving to smaller, more intimate services/worship experiences be beneficial? Maybe – but we do it because it’s good for the Church as a whole, not because kids like that better. Using Facebook and Twitter isn’t a bad idea, but it’s talked about so darn often by church leaders today it’s like they don’t truly understand what they’re for. Like I pointed out, they’re communication tools that supplement face-to-face communication, rather than supplant it – and many leaders seem to be focusing a whole lot on this supplemental tool rather than actually supporting missional work that can create relationships in the first place. Your last point about “digital” language I’m not exactly sure about, but I would say that again, we don’t change our church to please a demographic – we change it for the good of the Church. I sort of lumped you in with the guys pushing multimedia in worship, which you obviously said nothing about, but I think they share a lot of your perspective on the things I disagree with. No matter what, though, I very much respect your work on BeDeviant and am very thankful you took the time to read my post and respond, and I’m sure there’s a whole lot more we agree on than disagree. God Bless! – Craig

]]> Comment on Add a ballpit and an animatronic pastor, and you have Chuck E. Cheese. by Justin Wise http://www.craigsaboe.com/2009/11/add-a-ballpit-and-an-animatronic-pastor-and-you-have-chuck-e-cheese/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Justin Wise Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:17:18 +0000 http://www.craigsaboe.com/?p=51#comment-9 Hi Craig Thanks for quoting the article that I wrote. I'm not exactly sure, but I'm perceiving a disagreement with what I wrote (or, what you think that I wrote.) Is this the case? Hi Craig

Thanks for quoting the article that I wrote.

I’m not exactly sure, but I’m perceiving a disagreement with what I wrote (or, what you think that I wrote.)

Is this the case?

]]> Comment on About Craig by Craig http://www.craigsaboe.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Craig Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:58:56 +0000 http://craigsaboe.com/?page_id=2#comment-6 Hey, it was good content! Thanks for the link. Keep up the good work! God Bless!! Craig Hey, it was good content! Thanks for the link. Keep up the good work!
God Bless!!

Craig

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